Originally Posted by shimozukawa
Jappie, given that the GreenRoom determines the direction of the site, I believe it's the business of everyone who is an active member of the Surfers community. Although I may not have a vote on who is admitted into the Green Room, it does not mean that my voice should not be heard.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the thread locked, as that was the outcome of "Pogo for the Green Room 2008." However, I do believe that it's a completely reasonable topic for discussion.
As for this counting against me in future nominations for the Green Room, that's fine with me. If the Green Room panelists feel that being vocal about ones opinions is a bad thing, then I'd be happy to be left off the Green Room roster.
Liberty comes with many responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is to make known any perceived transgressions against oneself, other individuals, or the masses as a whole.
If the Green Room really is merely a board upon which certain members are privy to posting about other members who they don't like as much, then so be it. However, I've always envisioned the Green Room as something better than that. I envision it as a sub-segment of the forum in which ideas, such as this one, are carefully considered and open to reasonable debate.
It is out of respect for the Green Room and its members that I put up this post to begin with. I didn't want to believe that the Green Room members would consistently keep Pogo out just on a basis of spite or disapproval of his actions. Yes, he's not the most tactful member of the site, but he is passionate about the game and about Surfers. I saw a disservice (Pogo not being allowed to participate in Green Room discussions) and thought it should be brought up to debate.
Honestly, if a good number of non-Green Room, but active or senior, members feel that Pogo should be allowed in, it is a fair topic for debate.
I was actually pretty sure that, although not a mod, Jappie was already a member of the Green Room.
You missed the point of my previous post here shimo. The fact that you feel like this subject should be your (and other senior member's) business, does not mean it is your business
the fact that you feel pogo's greenroom access should be open for debate does not mean the administrators think it should be open for debate. If venice thought that non-greenroomers were to have a say in topics like these, he would have made sure they would have a say in these things. however, venice wishes to give this privilege of voting people in to greenroomers only (in the greenroom), and keep those votes away from the public..
You all knew this already, as you made a similar thread about YOU thinking that pogo deserves greenroom access. that thread got locked, so i'm really wondering what purpose the starting of this thread serves as a similar attempt at what you're doing here failed, and you got berated for it...
I don't know what is discussed in the greenroom, and i really could care less what they talk about in there.. I highly doubt it's the place where members can talk trash about people like pogo. it's the feeling he got because he was not allowed in. Members on this site of who i know they are in the greenroom are people of whom i highly doubt that they would speak trash about other members.
I'm pretty sure this thread will get locked, like every other public thread that considers the greenroom. so again i'll speak out that i'm amazed that you even bothered starting this thread as you already know it will be closed because it contains subjects that should not be discussed on the forum open to the public.
greenroom membership is for people who are good active quality members who don't have such an outspoken opinion about other members, and are quite neutral for as far as non-pokerrelated stuff goes for as far as i know you are a quality member, but by bringing up subjects like these you are far from neutral on things like these..
Don't get me wrong if I were to decide who was in the greenroom, pogo would be in. He brings quality to the forum... besides that his social skills towards other members, have not been so strong, which i guess is the reason that he was not allowed in. pogo has spreaded an image of the greenroom that i do not believe in, but has influenced other people's views towards the greenroom
(as i see it you're leaning towards pogo's view of the greenroom being a place where members talk trash about the non-elite people)
The social skills is likely the reason for why pogo, me, and several other seniors have not been promoted to the greenroom (yet??) i shall admit i have gotten myself in the occasional flame wars etc.
My view on this differs from pogo's view, as i really don't care about greenroom access. as PB-SP-SC said, "surfers> greenroom". And that's what it's about
Originally Posted by LordV27
Jappie, you were a little rude to shimo there. Shimo, let the darned subject drop man. PoGo, left the forum and has created his own poker site. This makes it highly unlikely that he cares about the green room anymore and talking about this futher is pointless.
sorry i fail to see how i was rude there, please elaborate