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Old 02-09-2011, 03:44 PM
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No one disputes that there is luck involved in poker or hell even life for that matter. How you approach the game and life is a determining factor in how many opportunities you see or don't see.

It's not luck that the same people win on a constant basis, you will also see these same people take tremendous beats in some very crucial spots. What is there response..? I think I played well and made the right decisions, just didn't fall my way this time, that's poker guys. Actually the way you approach the game and play it determines how much luck factors into your game. Part of the skill is knowing who folds to a 4 bet and who doesn't. poker is poker no matter what level you play however the variance will be higher on lower levels due to the range of hands you get called with, you will still be ahead most of the time but they are mostly drawing live so it affects the overall outcome.

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Old 02-09-2011, 03:48 PM
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No one disputes that there is luck involved in poker or hell even life for that matter. How you approach the game and life is a determining factor in how many opportunities you see or don't see.

It's not luck that the same people win on a constant basis, you will also see these same people take tremendous beats in some very crucial spots. What is there response..? I think I played well and made the right decisions, just didn't fall my way this time, that's poker guys. Actually the way you approach the game and play it determines how much luck factors into your game. Part of the skill is knowing who folds to a 4 bet and who doesn't. poker is poker no matter what level you play however the variance will be higher on lower levels due to the range of hands you get called with, you will still be ahead most of the time but they are mostly drawing live so it affects the overall outcome.

Will I got live skills takem

obv more skill invoilded in higher stakes but u can 4bet bluff n not get called by a2 high
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:57 PM
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thanks for the advice river and will you are right for the most part but i know better my last 6 games i have gone out with pocket kk's 5 times and and another pocket pair it's just silly to think their is no luck in this game but thanks i will check some things out
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Old 02-09-2011, 04:32 PM
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thanks for the advice river and will you are right for the most part but i know better my last 6 games i have gone out with pocket kk's 5 times and and another pocket pair it's just silly to think their is no luck in this game but thanks i will check some things out
No one ever said there wasn't luck involved in poker and if you 2 can't get past this then you have reached your poker pinnacle and please stop bringing up specific hands, they really don't matter. The only thing that matters is did you make the right decision and play, the results are unimportant unless you were wrong, then learn from it and move on.

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Old 02-09-2011, 04:57 PM
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lol at saying micros cant be beat.




ur main problem might be the 1000 games in 6 years lol....


just to clarify....i personally play the micros and have for some while....they are most DEFINATELY beatable.

id suggest putting in more volume....i mean my average buyins are 4$ on stars and 5$ on ftp... and i have 7k+ in profit...

no way ive been "lucky" for the 6000 games ive played.


blaming your losing on "luck" and that youd do way better in mid to highstakes mtts is just lol...

i got nothin against either of you, but i think you 100% need to adjust your mindset towards poker...

im a solid 90s grinder imo, and im on a 500 game downswing....see my point? my downswing (which has taken less than 2 months) is half of the volume youve put in over a 6 year period....

the ONLY thing that makes higher buyins easier/beatable is the fact they have way smaller fields....if thats your argument..., play sngs and capped mtts


poker is a long journey, the micros give you a sense of accomplishment as you progress through them and advance your game.....i can legit guarantee if either you or char were dropped into a few 55+ mtts, youd get crushed beyond belief..yeah u might luckbox one...but thats irrelevant, theres no way youre +ev in the 55s+ if you cant beat the 1-5s continuously.

plz dont assume this is an attack at either of you....ive actually been in the same spot, and assumed it was the micros that were causing me to lose, when in reality i was a fish, i had no idea of strat concepts, i had no idea of stacksizes...

and WHEN i realized i wasnt as good as i assumed....i started progressing and advancing my game....

i wish you both goodluck, but id suggest taking a look at ur game before blaming a set buyin of poker tournaments for your loss.
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Old 02-09-2011, 06:06 PM
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Just. Lol. LOLOLOLOLOL. Obv luck has a huge factor in a SINGLE HAND ! ONE HAND ! ONE ! But when you play a shitload and still keep loosing, theres no way u can blame it on bad luck. 1000 games in 6 years obv isn't "shitload".
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no their is skill and maybe if ya get up to the bigger money games it comes into play but at the micro level no skill it is 70/30 luck game trust me i have over 1000 played in 6 yrs and i have lost with all the teir one hands numorous times that ain't skill that's luck
I consider $3.30's micros. I use skill every single time I play. I lose sometimes because of luck, but I hold around a 28% ROI in that game. I don't think it's because I'm extremely lucky, it's because I understand the game and use my SKILL to win tournaments.

You are more apt to experience bad luck in micros because unfortunately most people do not adjust, and will probably play more hands against players who will play MANY more hands - but skill is still absolutely necessary, and you will not win consistently without it.
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since i was 18? live now 21 i play more like 300/350 a week total

46800hands live + easyerily
I've been playing poker since I was 6. I'm 32, and used to play for a good portion of my living expenses. Even before casino gambling was legalized in Michigan we had a large amount of underground clubs.

Saying in your previous post that there is only one result of any Surfer playing you live (you winning) is a completely ignorant statement. I myself have a large amount of experience on you, and I would guarantee a much larger sample size of live play.

Ever won a major live event? What's your largest live score? Back it up with more than an estimated hand count.
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lol at saying micros cant be beat.




ur main problem might be the 1000 games in 6 years lol....


just to clarify....i personally play the micros and have for some while....they are most DEFINATELY beatable.

id suggest putting in more volume....i mean my average buyins are 4$ on stars and 5$ on ftp... and i have 7k+ in profit...

no way ive been "lucky" for the 6000 games ive played.


blaming your losing on "luck" and that youd do way better in mid to highstakes mtts is just lol...

i got nothin against either of you, but i think you 100% need to adjust your mindset towards poker...

im a solid 90s grinder imo, and im on a 500 game downswing....see my point? my downswing (which has taken less than 2 months) is half of the volume youve put in over a 6 year period....

the ONLY thing that makes higher buyins easier/beatable is the fact they have way smaller fields....if thats your argument..., play sngs and capped mtts


poker is a long journey, the micros give you a sense of accomplishment as you progress through them and advance your game.....i can legit guarantee if either you or char were dropped into a few 55+ mtts, youd get crushed beyond belief..yeah u might luckbox one...but thats irrelevant, theres no way youre +ev in the 55s+ if you cant beat the 1-5s continuously.

plz dont assume this is an attack at either of you....ive actually been in the same spot, and assumed it was the micros that were causing me to lose, when in reality i was a fish, i had no idea of strat concepts, i had no idea of stacksizes...

and WHEN i realized i wasnt as good as i assumed....i started progressing and advancing my game....

i wish you both goodluck, but id suggest taking a look at ur game before blaming a set buyin of poker tournaments for your loss.
LOL I THINK MY games improving n tbh im happy where im at obv i wanna play higher buyins better players learn the higher stakes game
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LOL I THINK MY games improving n tbh im happy where im at obv i wanna play higher buyins better players learn the higher stakes game
Then play more, learn how to beat bad players and move up. You keep complaining about them not folding to a 4 bet... then maybe don't 4 bet bluff? yes, the variance is higher at lower limits because you're called with anything and they will sometimes hit, however your EV is also tremendously higher because they will always give you at least 2 streets of value when you hit your hand.

What it breaks down to in micros is that the game isn't about bluffing and bravado, but about putting yourself in the position to have the best hand most of the time and putting in tons of volume.
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yea their we go again put in volume another words you have to play a lot cause it's mostly luck like i said early stop it
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Then play more, learn how to beat bad players and move up. You keep complaining about them not folding to a 4 bet... then maybe don't 4 bet bluff? yes, the variance is higher at lower limits because you're called with anything and they will sometimes hit, however your EV is also tremendously higher because they will always give you at least 2 streets of value when you hit your hand.

What it breaks down to in micros is that the game isn't about bluffing and bravado, but about putting yourself in the position to have the best hand most of the time and putting in tons of volume.
i never said i was 4bet bluff i was just making a point play more ? i played 1400 in 30days?
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yea their we go again put in volume another words you have to play a lot cause it's mostly luck like i said early stop it
lol?

poker might not be the game for you bro...

the ONLY....i repeat ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY way to win long term is volume.

...IF you know this, and you STILL will not apply it....then what else can we do for you?
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yea their we go again put in volume another words you have to play a lot cause it's mostly luck like i said early stop it
No, you have to put in volume because you don't win as much in micros? Come on, man... you are really fighting the losing end of an argument that wasn't even yours to begin with.
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I think Char and haystack should be left in their values...

If they want to believe it's mostly luck.. let them be.. This thread is the biggest joke thread ever on surfers

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i never said i was 4bet bluff i was just making a point play more ? i played 1400 in 30days?
1400 what? Hands? SNGs? MTTs?

How many hands do you think you need to play to get past variance? I guarantee you it's a crapton bigger then you think.

For example lets take a cash game player playing with a 80bb standard deviation and an overall winrate of 4bb/100. (pretty solid player) It takes close to half a million hands before you're guaranteed to have some profit. (at half a million hands the range is from about 3bb-40000bb profit) Now don't take this as saying you have to play a half a million hands to win, as that's not the case, that's just saying that if you're losing what seems like all of your all ins for that long then you will still profit as long as you're still getting your hands in good.

You can look more at it here: -http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/

If you don't know what a std deviation is go ahead and use 80 it's usually pretty close, the site even tells you how to find yours if you have Hold'em Manager or Pokertracker.

Also, have you thought of the chance that if you're playing so much and still losing to these really bad players that maybe there is something that needs fixed in your game? I mean you can sit there high and mighty and say "I'd have won that hand if this was $10/$20 but I lost it because of luck and this guy calling!' Or you could say "I keep losing to these retarded players, how can I manage to take their money they're trying to give away and improve."

The first one will have you sitting and whining on forums about luck, and the second one will have you improve your game and start to take some of the "free" money that is out there. (I put free in quotations because it'll take a lot of time and effort to learn how to beat them)
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1400 what? Hands? SNGs? MTTs?

How many hands do you think you need to play to get past variance? I guarantee you it's a crapton bigger then you think.

For example lets take a cash game player playing with a 80bb standard deviation and an overall winrate of 4bb/100. (pretty solid player) It takes close to half a million hands before you're guaranteed to have some profit. (at half a million hands the range is from about 3bb-40000bb profit) Now don't take this as saying you have to play a half a million hands to win, as that's not the case, that's just saying that if you're losing what seems like all of your all ins for that long then you will still profit as long as you're still getting your hands in good.

You can look more at it here: -http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/

If you don't know what a std deviation is go ahead and use 80 it's usually pretty close, the site even tells you how to find yours if you have Hold'em Manager or Pokertracker.

Also, have you thought of the chance that if you're playing so much and still losing to these really bad players that maybe there is something that needs fixed in your game? I mean you can sit there high and mighty and say "I'd have won that hand if this was $10/$20 but I lost it because of luck and this guy calling!' Or you could say "I keep losing to these retarded players, how can I manage to take their money they're trying to give away and improve."

The first one will have you sitting and whining on forums about luck, and the second one will have you improve your game and start to take some of the "free" money that is out there. (I put free in quotations because it'll take a lot of time and effort to learn how to beat them)
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Im afraid that the OP is completely flipflipflipfliping ridiculous, guys can be a bit too cocky agreed, but the point to make is the guys that make the most money work hardest for it, you dont see many guys grinding 1000's of micros a month, because those are the guys that grind the micros and move up fast, the weaker players dont put the volume in playing or learning, and then complain about the guys who put more effort in playing bigger stakes and winning the $s.

I've been playing less than 6 years, and much less than 6 years really seriously, it honestly doesn't take that long to become good imo. It's about effort.

EDIT : also kind of offensive u think all the winnings player are just lucky.
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Im afraid that the OP is completely flipflipflipfliping ridiculous, guys can be a bit too cocky agreed, but the point to make is the guys that make the most money work hardest for it, you dont see many guys grinding 1000's of micros a month, because those are the guys that grind the micros and move up fast, the weaker players dont put the volume in playing or learning, and then complain about the guys who put more effort in playing bigger stakes and winning the $s.

I've been playing less than 6 years, and much less than 6 years really seriously, it honestly doesn't take that long to become good imo. It's about effort.

EDIT : also kind of offensive u think all the winnings player are just lucky.
yh n ur cards holding helps but yh i agree max volume n effort are must but hands hgolding is essical but yh deadercaion to poker is essencal to
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Im afraid that the OP is completely flipflipflipfliping ridiculous, guys can be a bit too cocky agreed, but the point to make is the guys that make the most money work hardest for it, you dont see many guys grinding 1000's of micros a month, because those are the guys that grind the micros and move up fast, the weaker players dont put the volume in playing or learning, and then complain about the guys who put more effort in playing bigger stakes and winning the $s.

I've been playing less than 6 years, and much less than 6 years really seriously, it honestly doesn't take that long to become good imo. It's about effort.

EDIT : also kind of offensive u think all the winnings player are just lucky.
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Thats BS, if u get it in ahead enough, u win money, its not all about run good, losing players always seem to think they get more bad beats, in reality they prolly get less.
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First of all, I love the fact that you answered the question I made in the first part of my post and ignored the rest which was actually the important part.

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This is the problem... your hands holding is NOT essential to winning play. It's essential to winning a HAND, but not to winning at poker as a whole.

Lets take for example a dominated hand setup. You shove with AK and are called by AJ. You're the 73% favorite to win the hand... he spikes a Jack and you lose the hand and are out of the SNG.

I'll try to explain this in the form of a simple analogy: This hand is like rolling a 4 sided die and if a 1 comes up he wins and you win if a 2, 3, or 4 comes up. If someone offered you this bet in real life would you take it? Probably because it's a winning bet. Then what happens if he rolls a 1 but offers to do it again because he feels lucky, hell yeah take it. He rolls a 1 again and offers to play until you say stop... I know I personally am going to take this bet and tell him to stop rolling when he dies because the more he rolls it the less likely it is for him to get that 1 he needs... in fact over an infinite sample he would get that 1 25% of the time and I would win 75% of the time. So if it was a $1 bet it would average out that I win $0.75 every time he rolls that die no matter what comes up.

This is EV, and it is exactly what you need to do in poker. Every time you get your money in good against someone you are winning money, you might not see that money that hand, but you're still winning it and it will pay you off on later hands when you get your money in good again.

So next time your hand doesn't hold and you bust out of your 18 man don't get pissed and blame luck, just tell yourself that you got your money in good and that's all you can do and if you keep doing it then you will eventually win.

Now if you're getting your money in bad, say for example the money goes all in with AK vs AJ on a J45 board well that's a whole other kettle of fish and you need to look at your play and figure out why you're getting your money in bad.
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Nah for stealing and lying. I'm just pointing out that I've seen the words "haystack" and "banned" or "do not stake" on like every poker forum I've been on besides this one.
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Now let's talk a little live, a field I have dabbled in. It is a grind (live is where the term originated) at least 5 days a week playing anywhere from 6 to 12 hrs a day (sometimes longer) day in and day out week after week month after month, you have to love the game to make it as a live grinder. The poker room is your second (main for some) home, you know everybody except for the touristas. Some days you can do no wrong and some days you couldn't win hu against yourself. There are winning players and losing players in the poker room. There is no way playing only 2-3 times a week that you can be a consistent winner playing only that many hands per week.

Poker is a game of percentages, that's it, over an extended period of time X hand will win or lose the correct % of the time it is played. The only part luck plays is when these wins or loses occur, that's it, period.

There is much more to it than just playing cards, that's where the skill comes in, seeing opportunities as they arise, they might not work but seeing them is what's important.

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Allso I have to say. The methods used to give BAS acces should prolly be changed... Like... For real.. I mean...
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First of all, I love the fact that you answered the question I made in the first part of my post and ignored the rest which was actually the important part.



This is the problem... your hands holding is NOT essential to winning play. It's essential to winning a HAND, but not to winning at poker as a whole.

Lets take for example a dominated hand setup. You shove with AK and are called by AJ. You're the 73% favorite to win the hand... he spikes a Jack and you lose the hand and are out of the SNG.

I'll try to explain this in the form of a simple analogy: This hand is like rolling a 4 sided die and if a 1 comes up he wins and you win if a 2, 3, or 4 comes up. If someone offered you this bet in real life would you take it? Probably because it's a winning bet. Then what happens if he rolls a 1 but offers to do it again because he feels lucky, hell yeah take it. He rolls a 1 again and offers to play until you say stop... I know I personally am going to take this bet and tell him to stop rolling when he dies because the more he rolls it the less likely it is for him to get that 1 he needs... in fact over an infinite sample he would get that 1 25% of the time and I would win 75% of the time. So if it was a $1 bet it would average out that I win $0.75 every time he rolls that die no matter what comes up.

This is EV, and it is exactly what you need to do in poker. Every time you get your money in good against someone you are winning money, you might not see that money that hand, but you're still winning it and it will pay you off on later hands when you get your money in good again.

So next time your hand doesn't hold and you bust out of your 18 man don't get pissed and blame luck, just tell yourself that you got your money in good and that's all you can do and if you keep doing it then you will eventually win.

Now if you're getting your money in bad, say for example the money goes all in with AK vs AJ on a J45 board well that's a whole other kettle of fish and you need to look at your play and figure out why you're getting your money in bad.
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But the fact this had to be posted is what's ridic.

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Originally Posted by Willtakem View Post
Now let's talk a little live, a field I have dabbled in. It is a grind (live is where the term originated) at least 5 days a week playing anywhere from 6 to 12 hrs a day (sometimes longer) day in and day out week after week month after month, you have to love the game to make it as a live grinder. The poker room is your second (main for some) home, you know everybody except for the touristas. Some days you can do no wrong and some days you couldn't win hu against yourself. There are winning players and losing players in the poker room. There is no way playing only 2-3 times a week that you can be a consistent winner playing only that many hands per week.

Poker is a game of percentages, that's it, over an extended period of time X hand will win or lose the correct % of the time it is played. The only part luck plays is when these wins or loses occur, that's it, period.

There is much more to it than just playing cards, that's where the skill comes in, seeing opportunities as they arise, they might not work but seeing them is what's important.
Regardless of your limited online experience, I have always respected your opinion and I continue to do so, people are coninved there is such a huge difference between online and live poker, but I once again believe that it is something losing players have invented to use as an excuse to why they cannot beat the online game. +1
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