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Old 06-10-2009, 12:55 AM
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I know I'll get blasted for this post, but whatever.

Pogo has been a member of the forum for over two years. Although he might be an arse at times, I do think that he contributes significantly to the forum on many positive levels. He has 10 referrals to the site.

Yes, I often disagree with him, but that's a part of life. If everyone were in agreement, we would never have progress.

Sure, once in a while he does something extremely puerile (like stomping out of the room saying "I'm never coming back unless [blank]"), but overall, I do feel that he's done a great job as a member.

Perhaps if there were something akin to a probationary Green Room membership, Pogo should be given this level of access. Honestly, I think Surfers is/was a big part of Pogo's online life, and I definitely believe Pogo is/was a big part of Surfers.

So, once again (this time in 2009), I implore you, allow xxPOGOxx into the Green Room.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:59 AM
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lol its green roomers we dont need a pouter in the green room

I SAY NO!

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lol its green roomers we dont need a pouter in the green room

I SAY NO!
srsly you dont even know what the greenroom is, dont poast plz

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Old 06-10-2009, 01:06 AM
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Agree I enjoy most of Pogo's post.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:10 AM
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Pogo get Gr, Tramp get Admin, Leafs get MOD.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:17 AM
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I've done a lot of reading through the strategy section (my favorite section ) and I'm hard pressed to find anyone on the forum who has made as many good and detailed articles on strategy. Also, a quick look through the analysis section shows that he and Rockster are the only 2 who ever put any mathematical analysis in at all.

I like Pogo, if not for him then I wouldn't be here (I'm one of the 10 referrals) and if not for all the time he and Mr T spent giving me private coaching railing my play money and dimer tourneys I would still be a really terrible player instead of the only slightly terrible but good enough to play in the micro limits player I am now. (It doesn't sound like much, but it is a huge improvement )

Despite these facts I have to say that his relentless persuit of the green room was a bit over much and his leaving the forum because of not getting in is rather juvenile. Also, Pogo is a rather frank person and is not afraid to speak his mind even if what he has to say is less then polite.

HOWEVER, I think that everything that he contributed to the forum as a whole warrants his entry to the green room. But rather then ask that he is put back into the greenroom so that he might come back, I would rather ask the people in charge of inviting people into the green room to ignore all of his posts regarding rep and the greenroom and look at the contributions that he has made to the forum and give him his chance based on that.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:14 AM
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srsly you dont even know what the greenroom is, dont poast plz
how how would you know this

why dont you go die

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how how would you know this

why dont you go die

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not helping your bas access cause...etc
doesnt mean im not going to stand up for my self be more respectful and instead of saying go die why dont you find something to say that makes sense

I know what a greenroomer is this is just my opinon

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but isnt a poker forum for " all " members or is this one of those we only look out for ourselfs im not phil ivey but neither r any of us a greenroom is all good but if only a chossen few can play it sounds like they should open a private forum and have a party i myself love all the info members post here and didnt know there was a special room for special people but maybe we can paint it blue so we can all get along

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but isnt a poker forum for " all " members or is this one of those we only look out for ourselfs im not phil ivey but neither r any of us a greenroom is all good but if only a chossen few can play it sounds like they should open a private forum and have a party i myself love all the info members post here and didnt know there was a special room for special people but maybe we can paint it blue so we can all get along
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i think shimo should keep his nose out of business that's not his business. it's not up to you to decide that pogo deserves to be in the greenroom.

this is not the first thread you set up to get pogo in the greenroom. You did that a while back as well, in which you were put back in your place as well as that thread got locked.

greenroom access is given by venice after a greenroom member is nominated to be in, and the majority of the other greenroom members have voted in favour of the nominated member.

as i know you're not in the greenroom, and as i know greenroom nominations are never taken outside the greenroom, this thread is pointless, and will not have the slightest influence on pogo joining the greenroom or not.
also 'm pretty sure this is something that will go against you if you were to be nominated to be in the greenroom

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i think shimo should keep his nose out of business that's not his business. it's not up to you to decide that pogo deserves to be in the greenroom.
Jappie, given that the GreenRoom determines the direction of the site, I believe it's the business of everyone who is an active member of the Surfers community. Although I may not have a vote on who is admitted into the Green Room, it does not mean that my voice should not be heard.

As I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the thread locked, as that was the outcome of "Pogo for the Green Room 2008." However, I do believe that it's a completely reasonable topic for discussion.

As for this counting against me in future nominations for the Green Room, that's fine with me. If the Green Room panelists feel that being vocal about ones opinions is a bad thing, then I'd be happy to be left off the Green Room roster.

Liberty comes with many responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is to make known any perceived transgressions against oneself, other individuals, or the masses as a whole.

If the Green Room really is merely a board upon which certain members are privy to posting about other members who they don't like as much, then so be it. However, I've always envisioned the Green Room as something better than that. I envision it as a sub-segment of the forum in which ideas, such as this one, are carefully considered and open to reasonable debate.

It is out of respect for the Green Room and its members that I put up this post to begin with. I didn't want to believe that the Green Room members would consistently keep Pogo out just on a basis of spite or disapproval of his actions. Yes, he's not the most tactful member of the site, but he is passionate about the game and about Surfers. I saw a disservice (Pogo not being allowed to participate in Green Room discussions) and thought it should be brought up to debate.

Honestly, if a good number of non-Green Room, but active or senior, members feel that Pogo should be allowed in, it is a fair topic for debate.

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Jappie, you were a little rude to shimo there. Shimo, let the darned subject drop man. PoGo, left the forum and has created his own poker site. This makes it highly unlikely that he cares about the green room anymore and talking about this futher is pointless.

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like anything worth while it has to be orginized ... all forums have a "black blue purple mod" ""room"" or does everyone just communicate with thier minds....duh...its for the sole purpose of making surferspoker the best forum on the internet
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Jappie, given that the GreenRoom determines the direction of the site, I believe it's the business of everyone who is an active member of the Surfers community. Although I may not have a vote on who is admitted into the Green Room, it does not mean that my voice should not be heard.

As I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the thread locked, as that was the outcome of "Pogo for the Green Room 2008." However, I do believe that it's a completely reasonable topic for discussion.

As for this counting against me in future nominations for the Green Room, that's fine with me. If the Green Room panelists feel that being vocal about ones opinions is a bad thing, then I'd be happy to be left off the Green Room roster.

Liberty comes with many responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is to make known any perceived transgressions against oneself, other individuals, or the masses as a whole.

If the Green Room really is merely a board upon which certain members are privy to posting about other members who they don't like as much, then so be it. However, I've always envisioned the Green Room as something better than that. I envision it as a sub-segment of the forum in which ideas, such as this one, are carefully considered and open to reasonable debate.

It is out of respect for the Green Room and its members that I put up this post to begin with. I didn't want to believe that the Green Room members would consistently keep Pogo out just on a basis of spite or disapproval of his actions. Yes, he's not the most tactful member of the site, but he is passionate about the game and about Surfers. I saw a disservice (Pogo not being allowed to participate in Green Room discussions) and thought it should be brought up to debate.

Honestly, if a good number of non-Green Room, but active or senior, members feel that Pogo should be allowed in, it is a fair topic for debate.



I was actually pretty sure that, although not a mod, Jappie was already a member of the Green Room.
You missed the point of my previous post here shimo. The fact that you feel like this subject should be your (and other senior member's) business, does not mean it is your business

the fact that you feel pogo's greenroom access should be open for debate does not mean the administrators think it should be open for debate. If venice thought that non-greenroomers were to have a say in topics like these, he would have made sure they would have a say in these things. however, venice wishes to give this privilege of voting people in to greenroomers only (in the greenroom), and keep those votes away from the public..

You all knew this already, as you made a similar thread about YOU thinking that pogo deserves greenroom access. that thread got locked, so i'm really wondering what purpose the starting of this thread serves as a similar attempt at what you're doing here failed, and you got berated for it...

I don't know what is discussed in the greenroom, and i really could care less what they talk about in there.. I highly doubt it's the place where members can talk trash about people like pogo. it's the feeling he got because he was not allowed in. Members on this site of who i know they are in the greenroom are people of whom i highly doubt that they would speak trash about other members.

I'm pretty sure this thread will get locked, like every other public thread that considers the greenroom. so again i'll speak out that i'm amazed that you even bothered starting this thread as you already know it will be closed because it contains subjects that should not be discussed on the forum open to the public.

greenroom membership is for people who are good active quality members who don't have such an outspoken opinion about other members, and are quite neutral for as far as non-pokerrelated stuff goes for as far as i know you are a quality member, but by bringing up subjects like these you are far from neutral on things like these..

Don't get me wrong if I were to decide who was in the greenroom, pogo would be in. He brings quality to the forum... besides that his social skills towards other members, have not been so strong, which i guess is the reason that he was not allowed in. pogo has spreaded an image of the greenroom that i do not believe in, but has influenced other people's views towards the greenroom
(as i see it you're leaning towards pogo's view of the greenroom being a place where members talk trash about the non-elite people)

The social skills is likely the reason for why pogo, me, and several other seniors have not been promoted to the greenroom (yet??) i shall admit i have gotten myself in the occasional flame wars etc.
My view on this differs from pogo's view, as i really don't care about greenroom access. as PB-SP-SC said, "surfers> greenroom". And that's what it's about

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Jappie, you were a little rude to shimo there. Shimo, let the darned subject drop man. PoGo, left the forum and has created his own poker site. This makes it highly unlikely that he cares about the green room anymore and talking about this futher is pointless.
sorry i fail to see how i was rude there, please elaborate

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Er, um, this green room everyone speaks of, just exactly what shade of green is it? It's really none of my business who's in the damn thing, but the not knowing the exact shade is killing me here.

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Its REALLY green . The greenest green you'll ever see !!
But don't forget the old saying "The grass is always greener in the green room" - which I think holds true on this occasion
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sorry i fail to see how i was rude there, please elaborate
Just the part of putting him in his place etc. Otherwise agreed with a lot of what you had to say!

 


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